elastigirl: i take no more stock in what paul thinks than i do in what i think. -, I figure whenever Paul was speaking to us through Scripture, he was drawing from his personal knowledge of the Kingdom of God rather than what he thought about it. sober-minded The neocalvinist church where I was an elder, which started off without one big head leader who called himself pastor, and people generally treating people decently, lasted a year or so before the guys found this amazing, godly 5-point calvinist whod been on John MacArthurs staff at GCC and had been a leader in SGMand then he took over and then he brought in his right-hand man from another state to be the leader of the elder team and then those two decided that the elders in place had been given too much unbiblical power over the pastor and so we all had to cede all authority to him and just be good friends without all these unbiblical checks and balances on the man whom the Lord had hand-picked to be over us. ), Law Prof: If we just got back to that model, the one the early church leaders generally followed . Someday Ill be big enough so you cant hit me As for your dig at anonymous people, you are hoping to do the same thing. His arrogance and rage unbalances him. Bridget: Im, however, convinced that the original disciples didnt completely understand what Jesus intended, nor were they able to carry out His intentions without sin in the mixture. About how you think there is something wrong with you because you dont feel the same things that they do, and soon you come to believe that you are defective or damaged goods. The churchs vision was to plant 10 churches in 10 years. By 2002, our church-planting ministry Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF) was formed, and ten churches were plantedin just four years! This place needs to be shut down. Dont think our former pastors quite there. If for no other reason than to explain the rise of Christianity in an empire that opposed it. What makes you think you get to excuse yourself from the table? Rescuing those who have ears to hear is the best any of us can do. Here are some fun and easy strategies to make the most of every moment of your Bible study. They deliberately employ a faulty theology to ensnare and use others for their own ends. I will be praying for you. Where is the elder who stands up and admits, this thing was a wicked, immoral, money-making scheme, corrupting and drawing in people with the lure of mammon and using the money of naive, giving individuals, many of whom gave sacrificially to honor God? Law Prof: Years later, the church long ago destroyed by heavy abuse and the former members scattered, a number of them atheists today, that drama pastor is now into the New Age. That set-up is far from the Biblical model of doing church and is a recipe for disaster, especially when it reaches mega-status. Amy Moore: Truth the WHOLE truth is the only antidote More leaders must take a stand and shine the light of truth. Vietnamese cuisine is good! AND PREACHER-MAN INFLICTED THAT ON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS? If people develop So theyll speak of doin church together, or kingdom life, or some such nonsense. Our students have weekly gatherings with worship, teaching, and group studies designed to propel them forward in faith. Yowzers, you have me stumped. This disturbing senior pastor made fun of other HBC church leaders for their physical attributes that he deemed not up to snuff with his obvious sartorial sense and unsurpassed personal good looks. It just doesnt seem to be relevant (at least to me) to anything that this blogs about. God doesnt need Harvest and in fact Id be willing to say the spirit of Jezebel has been leading that place since the early 2000s. elastigirl: Honest question: why does it matter what Paul thinks? Revamping the financial transparency laws for 501-c3 religious entities would be a good start. If only we would listen to what Lewis was saying, we might avoid these bullies going way back who latch onto Christianity because of all the naive fools who are suckers for the Gantry/MacDonald Schick. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Much as I seek to be gracious and forgiving, it is extremely difficult to accept these new confessions at face value. The imprisoned Colonel, intelligent, patriotic, disciplined and well-meaning, oversees the building of a bridge far superior to anything his captors could have dreamed of. But its ok its been part of this whole course but it would be nice if you could go back and reflect your motivations in those comments I cant speak for you but kinda think it had to do with some of your cult bonding you experienced at harvest. If we just got back to that model, the one the early church leaders generally followed, where leaders humbly look around for those whom they can help, trying to be the last, not the first, putting their reputations, careers, and lives on the line if necessary, maybe the Church would stop functioning like some lurching Frankensteins Monster. Over time, the North Shore church family found they needed a place for weekday ministries. Shouldnt we trust our churchs leadership?, But as of this moment, the vast majority of James s closest friends and ministry leaders over the decades have said nothing publicly about these crises.. I am sorry that my concerns about the institutional church from day one cause you distress. Or allowed to keep anything hidden from those who are part of the community? Dallas Jenkins As many others have also said, I couldnt care less about what house or car James owns. Do you mean it was given to those elders who assisted in helping JMac continue on with his antics? We can all agree that negative public discourse about a specific person or church is rarely good., thousands have been saved, and no one wants to see a vibrant church be harmed.. We rejoice in Gods faithfulness to us the first 30 years! Ive felt sins breakers dashing, I have yet to find any kind of human organization that has not found a way to run amok. Today Harvest Bible Chapel is a family of Christ-adoring worshipers on multiple campuses throughout Chicagoland. And those statements dont legitimize any of this garbage that goes on. The fact that the gospel according to Luke was accepted early seems to give credibility to Paul. Max: benefiting from the council of senior saints. But I still hold to my opinions, and consider them at least worthy of consideration for those who look at this mess and wonder how we got here. So thats just an opinion. I read that as a statement, not a post open for discussion, and an appeal to stop the speculation and kibitzing over a tragic situation. . Max: And to link them together as a Body of Christ, each one uniquely gifted to be a part of the whole something the institutional church just doesnt appear to get.Whose job is the ministry?Every believer has a part!When we separate believers into clergy vs. laity, pulpit vs. pew, us vs. them failing to equip and mobilize the saints to do the work of the ministry we miss what God intended for His Church and fall short of living in the Kingdom of Heaven here and now.Jesus talked a LOT about living in the Kingdom we would do well to read His words living in the church doesnt always mean living in the Kingdom.Based on my 70-year snapshot of the institutional church, theres a vast difference in what Christ describes vs. what we have put together in this thing we call church. Thats all it takes, my friend. That is part of our fallen world. Unfortunate, but true. able to teach When I left the church I had served very visibly in for over a decade, ONE person made the effort to seek me out to wish me farewell. Like the right procedures would have saved them the embarrassment. It is long past time Jenkins spoke up. That, in my humble, fallible opinion, explains much of the evil that has taken place in this world. Shes gone after him more than most. it is wrong. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. We started as a group of 18 people, who gathered from five different churches across the northwest suburbs and desired to form a new church. While I might be willing to grant that many elders/leaders probably start out with relatively good intentions, I suspect that the genuinely evil wolves (yes, I count MacDonald and Hybels as wolves, not fallen shepherds) are pretty good at picking out those who are most vulnerable to deception and temptation. How you understand the word? Informacin detallada del sitio web y la empresa: cscdluquillo.com, +17878893488, +17875205223, +19547634027, +12012041300, +12012081024 Christian School and Chapel for the Deaf | Puerto Rico It really doesnt take long for traditions to get set in stone, as it were. Cool bands, espresso coffee, relevant sermons, fun and fellowship, etc. The Elephant Debt has painstakingly detailed these issues for over five years. But as for me, I watch in hope for the LORD, I wait for God my Savior; my God will hear me. Micah 7:5-7, It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes. Psalm 118:9, Thus says the Lord: Cursed is the man who trusts in man Jeremiah 17:5. During this season, we are encouraging everyone to give online and that can be done by clicking the button below. . Morris no longer sits on Driscolls board. So I come here to learn, share solace and insights, and tell the odd bear joke. trust God and not your own self. , Info on the photo is apparently wrong. What was your salary Dallas for all your effort to misuse & misappropriate church tithes? Here is a short article describing the NT words used for the offices: All who have enriched themselves in the name of serving God and on the backs of the working people are suspect, as that is certainly not what we were called to, nor a reflection of the sacrificial love of Jesus who came to serve. it has a b in it. Sadly, I was guilty of the same in my day, taking the word of the pastor that those who left us were never one of us. 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